George Bush was Correct!

I think it's time for a little FACTUAL history lesson. Let me say UP FRONT that I am NOT and have NEVER been a Dubya supporter. I believe he will go down in United States history as the WORST POTUS this country has ever or will ever see.

That said, his remarks to the Israeli Knesset yesterday were not only FACTUALLY correct, his reference was not a slam at a Democrat or even BO, but rather a REPUBLICAN.

"Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," Bush said. "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: "Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided.
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In this supposed attack on a Dem and specifically BO: The sentence is in the PAST TENSE, as in when the Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939 an American Senator SAID. If anyone had bothered to google the "Lord, if I could..." quote, they would have seen that the American Senator Bush was referring to was in office in 1939 (not a Presidential primary candidate in 2008) and he was Sen. William Borah, an Idaho Republican at the time.

Now I know I'm going to get the "You know he was taking a subtle shot at BO..." My question then becomes, why is it ok to make the leap that this was an attack on BO, but it is not ok to make the leap that BO has used the race card in this campaign? Has he said anything directly racist? No. Have there been the comments not so subtle with the outrage of saying anything that automatically becomes racist? YES. And he used it as a wedge to change the playing field in his favor, IMHO, inexcusably.

Hillary Clinton was FACTUALLY correct when she said it took a leader to get the 1964 Civil Rights Act passed. It was in NO WAY racist or a slam against MLK, Jr. Read up on what LBJ had to go through to get the legislation passed. Hillary was only commenting on the fact that it takes a leader to get things accomplished. She was making the analogy to her own capabilities as a leader, but MAN the KNEE JERK shot out and BO was wailing Racist and insensitive remarks, yada, yada.

Bill Clinton was FACTUALLY correct when he said that Jesse Jackson, won SC TWICE. Only two other Dems have done so. Can you guess who they were??? NO? Let me help---John Edwards and BILL CLINTON. If he had said Edwards (who was still in the campaign at the time) he would have been touting one of his wife's opponents. If he had said himself, he would have been vilified for having such an overblown ego. But... KNEE JERK shot out and Bill was making racist and offensive remarks about an AA candidate and why he got the majority of SC voters. It just had to be that Bill was saying BO's skin color won him SC. Yada, yada, yada.

Bush refers to the comment made by a REPUBLICAN senator in 1939, and KNEE JERK shot out immediately that he had to be slamming BO. Sorry folks, everthing is NOT about BO despite the fact that he believes the universe revolves around him, and not everything said by white folks is racist. Hillary gets an overwhelming white vote in a predominently white populated state and it's because they are racists in WV. BO gets 90% of the AA vote and it's not a racist vote against Hillary.

These things I believe are the kinds of things that have so turned me off to this Primary. The DOUBLE STANDARD. And before you attack me and say "but your candidate came out and slammed Bush for his comments and defended BO and the Dem Party..." I was disappointed that she did. I don't agree with her decision to do so. Biden's blowing his head off his neck is understadable... the faux outrage is just that. It was more about an opportunity to slam Bush with "cover."

Again, I think Bush is a disgrace as POTUS. He should be impeached and tried for war crimes. That's how much I like the guy folks. But, his comments are no more offensive than any other subtle undermining of an individual's character, and the scales have been hanging way down on one side with this tactic piled on Hillary Clinton. And you know what? She is a strong lady. She is brilliant. From her comments today during her phone in with bloggers, she is intimately aware of the vitriolic BS attacks against her, and just keeps keepin' on. She earnd my admiration a long time ago, holding her head up and keeping the goals in focus since way back. Now I not only admire her, I am INSPIRED BY her. I wouldn't trust anyone else from this campaign season in the White House. I do absolutely trust the Presidency in her hands.



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Why are you apologizing for Bush? (2.00 / 12)

He was directly trying to link Obama to Neville Chamberlain, claiming that Obama's foreign policy will amount to appeasement, and that if you elect Obama, the terrorists will overrun America the way Nazi's overran France.

Any democrat defending Bush in this instance should be ashamed!


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:05:18 PM EST

Re: Why are you apologizing for Bush? (1.80 / 5)

The title alone should have rendered this diary to the dustbin on this site...

George Bush isn't even right about the time of day...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:05:42 AM EST
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MLK was not a politician or legsislator minister (none / 0)

Its true that in America, preachers can't pass legislation. (At least not in America)

If we were in Iran it would be different.


Universal healthcare IS a Democratic value
It's been defeated
Obama has the best $PIN that money can buy.
by architek on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:18:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You should tell his press staff (2.00 / 7)

Who said it was a swipe at both Carter and Obama.  


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:06:58 PM EST

Re: George Bush was Correct! (2.00 / 6)

I think you are missing the point completely.

Of course Bush's comments were "factually correct" in the sense that the Republican senator he was referring to existed - I haven't heard a single person dispute that. But are you really asking us to believe that his whole point was to criticize THAT Republican senator from 1939?

He says "Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists..." SEEM. Present tense.


by animated on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:09:00 PM EST

Re: George Bush was Correct! (2.00 / 5)

" My question then becomes, why is it ok to make the leap that this was an attack on BO, but it is not ok to make the leap that BO has used the race card in this campaign

Is this what it has come to??  Comparing a Repug slamming a Democrat in order to justify your argument of race baiting by Obama??

Pathetic...


I'm Ready For A Good Old GOP & John McCain Ass Kickin'!!!
by hootie4170 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:09:44 PM EST

Re: You're Right (2.00 / 2)

That's the stupidest f*cking leap of illogic I've seen in a long time.  This whole diary is pathetic.

Can we please, please get some higher quality Obama-bashers around here?  This current crop is lousy.


by deminva on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:08:03 PM EST
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Re: You're Right (none / 0)

I'll second that.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:11:03 PM EST
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Re: You're Right (none / 0)

Third, fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh that.

What a moronic post. What Bush did is the most glorious gift to the Democrats. It gave Obama the opportunity to bridge to the Bush failed foreign policy, and blow away McSame's tired arguments.


by PatrickBradish on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:15:37 AM EST
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Obama didn't say MLK was a legislator (none / 0)

did he?


Universal healthcare IS a Democratic value
It's been defeated
Obama has the best $PIN that money can buy.
by architek on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:20:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh I see (2.00 / 9)

Bush was just waxing historical.  It had nothing to do with the situation today.  Weird, then, how he used the present tense in this sentence:

"Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along."

As for your apparent thesis that any factual statement is kosher and not to be criticized, I guess you wouldn't quibble with Jesse Jackson Jr's statement about Hillary not crying about Katrina.  I thought that was pretty deplorable myself.


by JJE on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:09:56 PM EST

Re: George Bush was Correct! (2.00 / 6)

Who the hell else was he talking about?

The Whig party of 1833?  You honestly think he was insulting that REPUBLICAN senator???

Even his own aids said it was a swipe at Carter, Obama and the democratic party, why don't you believe them?


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:17:45 PM EST

Re: George Bush was Correct! (2.00 / 4)

invisible mojo for "Whig Party" reference


by upstate girl on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:23:09 PM EST
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Why am I wasting time on this? (2.00 / 8)

So, do you think this was not a not-so-veiled attack against Obama?

Do you think it's OK to travel to ISRAEL, on the 60th anniversary of that country, and to use HITLER as a way to take a swipe at a Dem back home?

Who you like in the Clinton/Obama campaign in irrelevant. This was disgusting and offensive, both to Israelis and Americans.


by PhilFR on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:17:50 PM EST

Re: George Bush was Correct! (2.00 / 7)

It has already been confirmed by Bush's people that it was an attack on Obama, and then McCain followed up on it.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:21:22 PM EST

Re: George Bush was Correct! (2.00 / 7)

Awesome! Just in time for linfar's shark-jumping diary on this topic, we get the second-best pathetic spin they can offer. Bush was talking about REPUBLICANS, don't you SEE?? Oh and here's talking points from two months ago to prove my point!

Are the Hillaryis44 posters going to make another late entrance?


by upstate girl on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:22:37 PM EST

To the wreck list! (2.00 / 2)

All the internets should see what happens when Silly Season turns into Primary Fever!


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:25:02 PM EST

Re: George Bush was Correct! (2.00 / 4)

Why are so many people defending Shrubya today? His comments were out of line and he used his stump as a political tool. It was obviously a shot at Barack, unless you're really so unhinged to believe that it was a shot at a dead Republican Senator.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:27:02 PM EST

Yes, it's past tense (2.00 / 5)

But it's obvious Bush referenced it precisely to take a dig.

And it's NOT just a dig at BO - it's a dig at ALL Democrats.

What other reason was there for him to reference it?  He could have talked about the Nazi's and the persecution of Jews w/o brining up what an American SENATOR had said in 1939.

It was no accident.  And it was a clear attempt to paint Democrats as cowards who won't defend the country and will let the "next" Hitler rise.

Even HRC stood up against that.


by jaywillie on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:28:23 PM EST

Re: George Bush was Correct! (2.00 / 3)

Wow. Diaries defending George W. Bush.

This is worse than saying you will vote for McCain.


I trust Barack Hussein Obama.
by spacemanspiff on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:28:37 PM EST

Re: George Bush was Correct! (none / 0)

Agreed.  I absolutely will not vote for John McCain, but in all fairness he does actually have intellect and some measure of sanity when compared with President Bush.

I mean, seriously, it's pretty hard to fuck things worse than has our dear leader...


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:10:36 AM EST
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Re: George Bush was Correct! (2.00 / 3)

Either it was an attack on Obama, Carter, or Democrats generally (minus Lieberman, of course).  It was obvious.  It was bald.

I didn't need to be told who he was attacking.  Neither do you.

Seriously, he was belittling his political opponents while overseas talking to a foreign government!!!

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT DONE.

Defend him if you like.  You are factually wrong.  Unless President Bush is significantly dumber than he appears, he had malice aforethought.

I don't care which Democrat(s) he attacked, he attacked us and one of the things that makes us better!  We're willing to TRY to negotiate with state actors before launching an attack.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:31:08 PM EST

Re: George Bush was Correct! (2.00 / 3)

The extent to which some (a vocal minority at that) of the Clintonista have defended or associated themselves with the NeoCons is scary. This Dairy is another prime example of this faction, that I call the NeoDems (tm), have attempted to push Hillary through a win by aligning themselves with factions of the Bush administration and Fox.

Frankly, in my eyes, you are no longer part of the Democratic party. Perhaps you can talk Hillary into running as a third party candidate so YOU can pay off her loans. God forbid she's only worth $89M instead of $109M.

As for the Jesse Jackson explanation - come on! Do you seriously believe what you say? I don't think O'reilly does either but he's trying to make money. You are a supposed Democrat. You could at least try to be honest.

Sad - like you post!


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:41:52 PM EST

Re: George Bush was Correct! (none / 0)

I sincerely doubt that Democrats who support Hillary would post something praising GWB.
What we're seeing here is a RW troll.
by skohayes on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:27:58 AM EST
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Re: George Bush was Correct! (2.00 / 1)

**Your comments are factually incorrect.  Bush's comments regarding the republican senator were in the latter part of his statement, which was past tense.  The first part was in present tense, where he was clearly talking about BO.


If the choice is between hope and fear, always choose hope. BC
by greylox on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:34:04 AM EST

Re: George Bush was Correct! (none / 0)

Bush advisors speaking  to CNN confirmed the remark was intended for Obama....


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:31:24 AM EST

Time to step back from the hate (none / 0)

Look - if your hatred for Obama has grown to the point where you:

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  • write a diary defending GOP smears of the Democratic Party;
  • title a diary "George Bush was Correct!"; and
  • play the "playing the race card" card in a diary about charges of Chamberlain-esque appeasement of terrorists,

then you need to (1) step back and (2) reengage with reality.


by Slim Tyranny on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:06:28 AM EST

George Bush failed policy (none / 0)

All the shock and awe and tough guy talk has made Iran stronger then ever. While Bush has to sneak into Iraq, the president of Iran rode around Baghdad like he owned the place on his state visit.

Time to put grown ups in charge. Bush's simpleton juvenile chest thumping has been a miserable failure.  70% of the country had figured that out. A few dead ender trolls are still waxing lyrical about their phony he-man action hero president, soon they will be able to gather at Free Republic and have a group cry.


by hankg on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:42:04 AM EST


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